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Home My WebLink About4.a. Diamond Path Update 4 CITY OF ROSEMOUNT EXECUTIVE SUMMARY FOR ACTION CITY COUNCIL MEETING DATE: December 7, 1999 AGENDA ITEM: Diamond Path Update AGENDA SECTION: Response to Public Comment PREPARED BY: Bud Osmundson AGENDA NO: �. City Engineer/Public Works Director �`�� ,�� , � ATTACHMENTS: Letter from Dakota County and Sign Info APPROVED BY: /�` On November 2, 1999 Mr. James Pence, who lives near the new extension of Diamond Path south of County Road 42, presented information and a request to the City Council to have the speed limit changed on this new segment of Diamond Path. Mr. Pence's' reasoning is that there are many children in the area and that many gravel trucks will be utilizing this new roadway. Mr. Pence had requested that the City request to the Commissioner of Transportation to perform a speed analysis of the roadway. Attached is a letter from Mr. Pete Sorenson, the Traffic Engineer from Dakota County. The letter requests that a speed study be completed on this segment of roadway. Diamond Path is County Road 33 and is the County's responsibility. As a routine item after a new roadway is opened up to traffic, a request is given to the Department of Transportation to perform an analysis of the speed .limit. Currently the new extension of Diamond Path is signed for a 45 M.P.H. speed limit. We have had eight calls from citizens concerned with traffic on the intersecting streets of December Trail, 153`d and 155t'' Streets. The City Public Works Department installed 30 M.P.H. speed limit signs immediately on the east side of the new extension of Diamond Path. In an urban area all City streets (unless marked otherwise) have a 30 m.p.h. speed limit. The installation of these signs is just to remind people that they are entering a residential area with a lower speed limit than on the County Road, Diamond Path. We also have had many requests for the installation of "Children At Play" signs. It has been our past practice to not install these signs except in very unusual circumstances. The reason for not installing these signs is as described in the attached literature from the Institute of Transportation Engineers. They have little or no effect on the traffic and are not enforceable. If we did install these signs, Staff receives enough requests that they would be installed on every block in the City. Staff will be reviewin these items with you at the meeting. RECOMMENDED ACTION: Discussion. COUNCIL ACTION: 11 ' • �i��, �'�. ly�au 1 �;p1��t L�,..i�:i�i;:; C�Y HFJY Uh:�i rl'c�'a171"_'i I'1��, I�Uy P, _ - ''�-'`�,,`,�>�"� .J /:��^ ��../ '✓``�%'`��f�'��,} c o u N r r Hfghway Department �ovember 18, 1999 bonald�.7helsen,P,E. Cc�n_y EnginE�^ � Dakota Counry . Western Servlce Center ��y"�F;�Aver�P Lars Impoia, P.E. A.pple Val'e�,MN 5512R-8579 Traffc Studies Engineer M'n/DQT Metropolitan Division 6��.69�,'�0° 2055 North l.ilac Drive Fax 61 i.69 I.7 I 27 '+dw•w.[o.dalcota.mn.cs Golden Valley, MN 55422 Re: Speed Zoning — CSAH 33 Dear Mr. Impola, We have recantly opened to traffi� newly constructed CSAH 33 (Diamond Pafh) from CSAH 42 to 160th Street in Apple Valley and Rosemount. Pfease perform an engineering �nd traffic investig�tion to determine the reasonable and safe speed (imit on this segment of rQadway. 1 'nave attached plan sheets from the project to help yqu in your analysis. P(ease contact me if f can provide additional informa#ian to you ar be of assist�nce to you in your investigation. Sincerely, �..- � � n � `�, ��- . . � Peter L. Sor�nsan Traffic Engineer Attachments: plan sheets i� "�x:o,.�.,=:a_�=_,� Ar.n;J5 eo�•;o,:.—er.:ae �o p T�t:�`>',.v-^.r�.i�.s'ai North Central Section Institute of Transportation Engineers WATCH FOR CHILDREN CHt3PTER � E W ATCH FOR � CHiLDREN __. 1 � � A variety of signs exist to try and warn of the Cost presence of children, "Watch for Children," Iviinimal for one installation. May become � "Slow, Children at Play," etc. The request for significant if installed at a large number of these signs generally stem from parents' con- locations. � cern for their children.'s safety in the streets � AdditionaI Considerations � near their home. Unfortunately, the request for this type of signage is based on a widespread �ere is no indication that signs of this type � but false belief that traffic signs provide protec- achieve the desired safety benefits. Since � children live in virtually every neighborhood, tion. signs would have to be posted in all blocks, or � Effecfs drivers might assume that no children live Volumes. No effect where the signs are not posted. � Speed. Little or no effect. Signs of this type might indicate that the street Traffic Noise, Air Quality and Energy Con- �s an acceptable place to play. ,� sumption. Little or no ef�ect. There is no evidence or documentation that Traffic Safety. Little or no effect. this type of signing has any legal consequence. � � . S L�i� S��.yy . �� . CHl�.D�EN CHILDREH � . PLAYiN� � � � � Neighborhood Traffic Control January 1994 5-1 . . - ,. j � ' • • ,• , • • ' ;.. • . � '. . , _ . • ... - .. • '. . • . � ��^�_'rr�_ �. y!E .G•^.-rr^.�+• � _ �;'r:.+.i�.'�. �'7� r'�! �,l." � . � • ..� _ . . �;��,.'1,� 1� >t�4'v`-t��,��--. _��•,::. ,..�••-••,,;;�,'��.��.. .'s.: , . . Unnecessary Signs : . ' , . 0��;�c and unarc.cssary signs confusc: - . 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K��:xy T�s�or�don Ccnce:). s C I TY O F RO S E M O U N T 2875 C145tHS�t eet West — � Rosemount,MN Everything's Coming Up Rosemounr!! 55068-4997 Phone:651-423-4411 Hearing Impaired 651-423•6219 Fax:651•423•5203 TO: Concerned Residents re: Diamond Path Extension DATE: December 6, 1999 RE: Response to Public Comment on the Diamond Path Extension FROM: Linda Jentink, Adm. Asst. Please be advised that the City Council will be hearing the staff report on the Diamond Path Extension regarding public comment at the December 7, 1999 regular City Council meeting. Mayor Busho would like to invite you to attend and inform any others whom may be interested in staff findings. The City Council meeting begins at 7:30 p.m. and this is one of the first items to be discussed. Only the four people who spoke at past meetings have been individually notified. I apologize for the lateness of this notice. It was requested to have the notice mailed out on Friday after the agenda was complete, but I overlooked it. I hope this delivery of the notice and phone message will enable you to attend.